Hair cream

naturalistanaturalista Member
edited February 2014 in Formulating
Hi I  wanted to know if water for a hair cream could be replaced with aloe juice and or aloe gel. I want it to retain curls and eliminate frizz. I was thinking of adding a polyquat.  Any suggestions or ideas?

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  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    Aloe gel or Aloe juice is >90% water so it won't matter much.  It would essentially be the same as using water. 
    A Polyquat could help aid in reducing frizz but a silicone might work better.
  • Thanks for your reply. Do polyquats help retain curls. I see this ingredient in some high end products that boast of specifically retaining curls but I am not sure which ingredient is helping in achieving curl retention. I am speculating in saying that aloe juice or gel would be more beneficial than water. Am I correct?


  • Ashland (ISP) have some good products to do that.
  • chemicalmattchemicalmatt Member, Professional Chemist
    Naturalista, not all Polyquaterniums have styling ability. Most do not. There are so many, too. Ayla gave you a great first step, since ISP (now Ashland) came out with one of the first: Polyquaternum-11 (Gafquat). I'll recommend Styleze W-17 terpolymer from that same manufacturer. By the way, here's some trivia:  the GAF in Gafquat is from GAF Corporation, more famous for their recording tape, which bought the technology from the Antar Corporation, then sold to ISP.  All of which probably ocurred before you were born. THAT'S how long Polyquaternium-11 has been used in styling products. 
  • I wanted to know if aloe juice/ aloe gel  would be more efficient at retaining curls than just plain old water.
  • BobzchemistBobzchemist Member, PCF student
    Probably not. But the only way to find out is to test it yourself.
    Robert Zonis, Sr. Formulation Chemist, Beaumont Products "All opinions and comments expressed are my own, have no relation to Beaumont Products, are fully copyrighted, and may not be used without written permission."
  • I am looking for an ingredient to do just that retain curls. any suggestions

  • BobzchemistBobzchemist Member, PCF student
    The first question you have to answer is: how will you test to see if we're telling you the truth?
    Robert Zonis, Sr. Formulation Chemist, Beaumont Products "All opinions and comments expressed are my own, have no relation to Beaumont Products, are fully copyrighted, and may not be used without written permission."
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    No.  Aloe juice / aloe gel will not be more efficient at retaining curls.  But like @bobzchemist said the only way for you to know is to test it yourself.  
  • Ok guys I tried with the aloe gel  and it helped a little but not enough. Their was still frizz and curls did not retain after a couple of hours. How can I achieve this? There must be a specific chemical/ ingredient that will help retain curls longer. Its looks nice at first with the aloe gel but does not hold afterwards.
  • Try ashland polymers such as Gafquat 755 (Polyquaternium-11) and Styleeze W17 (Polyquaternium-55). There's Croda's Lustreplex (Polyquaternium-70). And there also Akzo Nobel's Celquat H100 (Polyquaternium-4).
    Research & Development Manager Brazil at Alfaparf Milano.
    Owner and Content Director at Cosmetica em Foco.
  • Do you know of any of their distributors?

  • They only sell in large quantities and I need something much smaller especially since I am looking to try it out first.

  • Sorry, I don't know of any distributors because I'm from Brazil.
    Research & Development Manager Brazil at Alfaparf Milano.
    Owner and Content Director at Cosmetica em Foco.
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