Conditioner Concentrate - cetearyl alcohol (and) stearalkonium chloride

EndoreEndore Member
edited March 2018 in Hair
I used to use a product called Conditioner Concentrate - cetearyl alcohol (and) stearalkonium chloride, that I would buy from WSP (called Hair Conditioner Concentrate) and they discontinued it about 2 years ago.  I then began buying it from Saffire Blue (called Conditioner Concentrate Pearls) and they discontinued it about a year ago.  

I loved it for my leave-in conditioner - simple, but effective formula for dry, coarse hair with
3.53 % conditioner concentrate
4.5% oils (3.92 RBO and .654 castor)
3.9% glycerin
.3% CETAC
EDTA
Liquid Germall Plus

and for my deep conditioner formula - similar to above but adding BTMS 25. 

Does anyone know why this product is no longer available???  I really loved it in my conditioners.   

I recently made a new leave-in with same oils, glycerin, CETAC but used
BTMS 25 - 2.33%,
cetyl alchohol - 1.1% 
Behentrimonium Chloride 1.1%
It's not quite as nice as my old formula, but close.  I feel it needs a bit more slip, glide and bit more conditioning and detangling.  The weight and thickness was comparable to my old formula and that is good.  

I have on hand:  Cetearyl alchohol, cetyl alcohol, Behentrimonium, Incroquat CR, BTMS 25, BTMS 50 and SD, which I have not experimented with yet due to the need to adjust the ph and I just haven't played with that yet.  If I do use it I will use only a small amount and maybe ph might not need adjusting.  I'm not sure.  

I do not want to start using silicone.  I didn't use it in my old formula and I don't want to use them now.  

Any help and suggestions is appreciated. Thank you so much.  

Comments

  • ozgirlozgirl Member, PCF student
    I would recommend trying to replace it with the Incroquat CR as this has a similar INCI.
  • Thanks, ozgirl.  ICR gives me a totally different feel that's not desirable.  Definitely not a 1:1 swap.  

    I included the stearamidopropyl dimethylamine at about .5%, reduced BC to .5%, increased Cetac and adjusted ph.  I like this one much better.  Viscosity is the same and there is increased slip, I'm assuming from the SD.  
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