wax flaking

FekherFekher Member, Professional Chemist
hi friends , i made hair pomade wich have nice texture and fixation the problem just when the product dry it makes littel flake so i want to improve the product with eliminating this flaking what do you recommend for that formulation and can be a problem of the quality of ceteareth 25 not formulation problem?
 water : QSP
Ceteareth 25 : 27 %
pvp : 4 %
perfume : 0,5 %
presrvative : 0,1 %
@Chemist77  @Perry  @Gunther  @Dirtnap1

Comments

  • Most likely due to the higher amount of PVP. Is that the only thickener/fixative you have on hand?
  • FekherFekher Member, Professional Chemist
    @Dirtnap1 i don't think that from pvp cause for same level in hair gel there is no flake then for sure it is from ceteareth 25  .
  • I don't believe I have had any flaking from Cet-25 with my formulas. However, when I added above 1% PVP it would tend to flake a bit if hair was combed/disturbed etc. 

    Only way to test would be try Cet-20 or 30 and compare using exact formula.
  • Chemist77Chemist77 Member, PCF student
    How about doing a trial without PVP, it will be easily established if it is PVP or the ethoxylate. My bet is still on PVP, but as @Dirtnap1 suggested you can try another trial with 20 mole ethoxylate. Will give your a fair idea.
  • FekherFekher Member, Professional Chemist
    edited February 2019
    @Chemist77 @Dirtnap1 thanks a lot for your help i already make same formulation without pvp i will try it in my hair and tell you the resultats.
  • FekherFekher Member, Professional Chemist
    edited February 2019
    Update
    @Chemist77 @Dirtnap1 (just i insist that flake in my product is invisible you can see it only if you remove hair after product drying) , so using product without pvp gives as normal a lower fixation and lower flake but flaking problem by removing hair after product drying is not solved at all ... so it is clear that is not only pvp cause flake in my case .   I'am thinking about input that improve flaking effect not by eliminating it but by making it invisible (transparent)
    may be silicone can do it ??
  • FekherFekher Member, Professional Chemist
    edited February 2019
    @chemicalmatt @Perry @Gunther have an advice ?
  • Chemist77Chemist77 Member, PCF student
    In this case try adding little silicone like Dimethicone 200
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    I think 4% PVP is too much.  Try half that amount.
  • FekherFekher Member, Professional Chemist
    @Perry in update i make it without pvp however flake persist.
    @Chemist77 i will try it when i find Dimethicone and tell you about resultats , i will use silicone at 2 % level.
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    Then you have too much Ceteareth. Use less and find another thickening agent like Carbomer.
  • FekherFekher Member, Professional Chemist
    @Perry in hair wax you can not have good viscosity at level lower then 25% ceteareth 25 i already try it from 15 % to 30 % so 25 % is the minimum level to have acceptable fixation and viscosity.
  • Try adding very minimal amounts of glycerin, C12-15, and add some Peg-40HCO and dimethicone, should help with flaking.
  • FekherFekher Member, Professional Chemist
    soo helpfull @Dirtnap1 thanks
  • I'm trying to understand. You only get the flakes when you try to restyled it after it dries?
  • FekherFekher Member, Professional Chemist
    @Soexcited exactly .
    @Dirtnap1 from searching i find that level of use (C12-15) is large between 1 % and 15 % so have you idea about best adequat level for hair wax styling ?
  • It's going to depend on your formula and the characteristics you are looking for. Obviously you do not want to go into the high end as it will negatively affect hold. So I would start with .2-.5% up to 1%
  • FekherFekher Member, Professional Chemist
    thanks @Dirtnap1 i will try it from 1% to more and see what it will give.
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