organic, vegan anionic surfactant

margimargi Member

yes i know. im asking for allot here. 

But ive been looking for a vegan organic surfactant for a little while now that i can use in a shampoo but cant seem to find one. i know theres a nice amount of them but i dont think im looking at the right places. 
Any links and help will be very much appreciated. :smiley:


also thought it could be nice for other people to find a surfactant easier by putting it on this web site

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  • PharmaPharma Member, Pharmacist
    edited August 2019
    Organic? Define "organic"!
    If you go by Swiss organic standards then there is no such ting as an organic surfactant, there is not even organic cosmetics because cosmetics aren't good for nature no matter how sustainable they have been produced. Planting acres upon acres for beauty and shine whilst people on this planet are dying from famine... Think about it!
    According to other less strict standards, soap would be okay.
    Oh, just remembered: Soapnuts and other saponin containing plants ;) .
    Most surfactants these days are vegan BTW. I've only came across a very few modified tallow derivatives (not necessarily surfactants) whilst lanilin, egg yolk, and carmine aren't commonly used to produce surfactants, apart from these I can't think of other +/- common animal products for cosmetics or I'm too tired right now.
    On the other hand, organic in a scientific/chemical sense would include all existing commercial surfactants (even silicones because these also contain carbon).
  • Well, then i guess im looking or a more vegan surfactant. Ive tried decyl glucoside, but yea i found out that thats more of a co surfactant. so im looking for a main one right now. 
  • MarkBroussardMarkBroussard Member, Professional Chemist
    @margi:

    You're looking for a naturally-derived surfactant.  The only Organic Certified surfactant I have found is Sapindus mukorossi ... the problem is that it is chocolate brown and a not-so-great foamer.

    Try Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate + Cocoamidopropyl Hydroxysultaine + Decyl Glucoside.

    BTW:  Vegan ... most synthetic chemicals are vegan and that term is greatly abused.  I always laugh when I see adverts for "vegan" cosmetics that are chock full of synthetic chemicals.
    Chemist/Microbiologist formulating in the Organic & Naturals arena under ECOCert/Natural Products Assn/Whole Foods/National Organic Program guidelines focused skincare & haircare products. 

    See website for details www.desertinbloomcosmeticslab.com
  • MarkBroussard
    Right! Natural 
    .
    Ive seen allot of people saying that the organic, vegan etc trend is a joke, due to the "looslines" of the meaning of the words. I mean "they" should have some structure to it since its now is/becoming a trend. Though i do understand that that the ingridients are vegan, but i think what consumers actually want, is something natural and something thats good for them instead of all the synthetic ("vegan") stuff


    Regardless. 
    I have like 7 bottles of decyl glucoside because i thought i needed it so im pleased to to see it can come to good use. Thank you!. 
    il try it out an see what i can get out of the shampoo.

  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    No cosmetic, natural or otherwise, is "good for you".

    The cosmetic industry does not want to better define natural, organic, or synthetic. Brands want these terms to remain as vague as possible so they can claim whatever they want. For the most part, consumers will just believe whatever a brand they like tells them.

    For example, decyl glucoside does not exist in nature. It can only be made through a synthetic manipulation of an ingredient you get from nature. This is no different than a petroleum derived ingredient too.  But people have convince consumers that decyl glucoside is somehow more natural than sodium lauryl sulfate.
  • "Good for them".. I received some dimethiconol in cyclopentasiloxane this weekend and nothing has ever been as  "good" for my hair as that blend in my life :smiley: 
    I can tell you what is bad for hair -Glucosides. Because they make rat nests in long hair. Sounds pretty bad to me. I guess you can make it better if mix glycosides with hydroxysultaine and SCI but why bother?
  • PharmaPharma Member, Pharmacist
    For my hair, glucosides (in mixtures) are great and sulfates are bad (I have no problem with sulfates per se)! Just saying, there is no "good" or "bad", there simply is something for you as there is something for me and it's probably not the same because all hair/humans are different.
  • margimargi Member
    edited August 2019
    yes im aver. but the consumers wants something that "good for you" in a way. though thats not really as possible as they may think it is. not  that i think thats there someting thats good for you.no one really likes digging in to thing like this. making it way to easy for the suppliers to lie to them (as the industry is well know for). 
    and tho yes im new at this i have understood that there really isnt anything natural in the sense that its plucked form the ground and put in a bottle.(but boy wouldnt that be something)
    tho i dont really see whast wrong with "natural" movement when it comes to the ingridients that they use. but i do think "they" could do a hole lott more honest when it comes to presenting the products, and that they could be telling the whole truth when they want to present it in the way that they do.
    Perry


    no nothing is necesearily good for you but the consumers uselly thinks that this is easily accomplished. And yes glucosides are not always the best, ig it dipends on what you blend it in. i tried it my self (kind of a fail tho,,,) and yes it did leav my hair kind of dry and not feeling the best. 
    ngarayeva001  
  • margimargi Member
    edited August 2019
    yes i believe thats true as well. theres to many hair types and likings out there to say that one thing is bad and one thing is good (tho there is some abvious things that arent good for hair)
    Pharma
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